I have to apologize. Some of you were expecting another post on Friday, which I realize I did foolishly promise. But I’m still on vacation, and I needed some time to, well, vacation. Don’t worry, I haven’t been abducted by the MIB. My apologies for leading you on.
As you can see, I’m still in Paris, mulling over my thoughts after observing SETI scientists in action at the first-ever “Searching for Life Signatures” symposium at the UNESCO headquarters in Paris.
It will take me several more days to pull together my conclusions, but I want to share a few initial reactions.
As a launching point, I want to react to a comment to my Thursday post “Something is Here,” which recapped a French scientist’s proposal that SETI take a serious look at UFO phenomena.
I have been an avid supporter of SETI for many years. However, attending this conference opened my eyes to several logical fallacies in the natural philosophy underlying SETI and in SETI’s rejection of the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis as an explanation for some UFO sightings that science cannot adequately explain.
Here’s the comment I want to react to (it was posted by a fellow attendee of the conference, who admits she missed Alain Labeque’s presentation on Tuesday):
“I wasn't at UNESCO to listen to my colleagues talks. I don't regret it by reading your post. . . . Science... as a candle in the dark... “
What caught my attention, of course, was the “Science as a candle in the dark” allusion to Carl Sagan. I think this comment operates on three different levels, all logical fallacies commonly resorted to by so-called “skeptics” who attack those suggesting science should seriously investigate the possible extraterrestrial origin of some UFO reports.
First, the comment is merely a rhetorical flourish with no scientific meaning, although on its face it pretends to have such meaning.
Other rhetorical flourishes popular with the SETI crowd are “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” – Sagan again – and “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic” – Arthur C. Clarke’s “Third Law.” (The SETI crowd never seems to seriously consider Clarke’s First and Second Laws.)
Rhetorical flourishes like this, of course, are just that – rhetoric. They mean nothing from the viewpoint of science, but do open a window into the logic (or lack of logic) underlying a scientist’s claims.
Second, such comments are an appeal to authority, another logical and scientific fallacy.
I understand the late Carl Sagan was known, loved and respected by many in attendance at the SETI conference at UNESCO, but just because he said something doesn’t mean it is true – or that it is a truly scientific or logical manner of reasoning.
Or even that it should be taken seriously.
I have never heard the SETI crowd so found of quoting Sagan as an authority against UFOs also quote another famous set of claims from Sagan’s book The Demon-Haunted World – the very work from which the “Science as a candle in the dark” flourish is drawn.
Specifically, in this book Sagan stated he found value in the serious scientific exploration of several paranormal claims. Sagan felt three reported psychic phenomena merited serious scientific scrutiny (though just barely):
(1) the reported ability of humans, by thought alone, to produce minute but statistically significant variations in random number generators run on computers:
(2) “ganzfeld” studies in which people under mild sensory deprivation appear to receive thoughts and images transmitted to them mentally by other people; and
(3) claims that young children sometimes relate the details of a previous life, details which are verified upon checking and which the children could not have known in any conventional way (except, presumably, through reincarnation)
I doubt you will ever hear anyone in the SETI crowd refer to Sagan’s interest in telekinesis, ESP and reincarnation, even while they quote him authoritatively on other subjects, such as why interstellar travel is (in their view) unlikely or impossible.
Finally, the “Science as a candle in the dark” flourish is really a thinly veiled ad hominem attack on anyone who would suggest an advanced technological civilization in our galactic neighborhood might venture to travel between the stars -- including our star, the Sun.
Reduced to its essentials, what the “Science as a candle in the dark” comment really means in this context is:
SETI = Science = candle, light
UFOs = Pseudoscience = darkness
Sadly, these three logical fallacies – reliance upon rhetorical flourishes, appeals to authority and ad hominem attacks – were all on display at the SETI conference at UNESCO.
Intriguingly, by far one of the most – if not the most -- data-packed presentations at the SETI conference at UNESCO was that of Bjorn Gitle Hauge on the “Investigation and analysis of transient luminous phenomena in the low atmosphere of Hessdalen valley, Norway.”
The Hessdalen phenomenon has been known for many years, but Hauge presented stunning new photographic, spectrographic and radar data indicating a luminous, energetic phenomena of an unknown character and source occurring over Hessdalen.
I’ll write up Hauge’s presentation in more detail when I return to the States, but for now I can tell you the visceral reaction of the American SETI contingent at UNESCO ranged from apparent mockery to thinly veiled anger.
It is important to understand Hauge advanced no hypothesis to explain the reported phenomena – although he begged the scientists at the conference to examine his data and suggest an explanation. He certainly did not suggest the phenomena were evidence of extraterrestrial visitation. He merely reported evidence the phenomena were real.
And – unlike much of the “science” presented at the conference – he actually had empirical data to back up his claims.
That, however, was too much for some of the most renowned scientists in the SETI field, who apparently cannot tolerate even the suggestion of unexplained phenomena in our atmosphere, even when supported by multiple data sets and unaccompanied by a suggested extraterrestrial explanation.
I guess that’s what passes for science these days.
(On that note, I’ll tell you what I learned at UNESCO about Dyson Spheres – a much-loved canard taken very seriously by many at the SETI conference – in a future post. Suffice it to say, if these imaginary constructs utterly unsupported by empirical evidence were called “Korbitz Spheres,” no one would take the idea seriously, and rightly so.)
To be continued . . .

9 comments:
Nice post. I look forward to the continuation.
I think it will be fun to see the changes in what is considered "science" over the next 50 years. I just wish there was a good way to keep score.
The question just keeps ringing in my head: Why. WHY are American scientists so utterly, closemindedly Medieval in their thinking on this issue? I just don't get it. What is driving their attitude? Is it fear? Arrogance? Denial? All of the above? I'd really really like to know. It's almost like they're brainwashed or hypnotized or something, to be so blind to the growing mountain of evidence available. That much evidence, if it related to some other subject would be more than enough for them, but somehow, for this subject, no, it just isn't good enough. No amount of evidence would be, I suspect. WHY?
It is funny when think about it. For years SETI tried to gain respectability, amoung the more conservative scientist by intentionally steering a wide birth around any credibility given to the UFO question even though evidence was all around them.
Hessdalen valley is something I have been following for years. Some of the phenomenon certainly acts intelligent. But none of them could even hint at that pubic ... why...because these scientist from running for the hills is with non- threatening language like "this doesn't mean...fill the blanks.
For me that is fine as long as these old close minded farts, who have less imagination then a Wart Hog, take a serious look. I remember conservative scientist claiming for decades planets were rare.
They will catch up just give them some...I don't know what to give them.
Joseph Capp
UFO Media Matters
Just for the record, appeal to authority is not a logical fallacy. It's one kind of inductive argument. An appeal to unqualified authority would be a fallacy. Any textbook that covers informal fallacies will confirm all this, including the books I've used for 20 years to teach logic to college students.
An appeal to authority or argument by authority is a type of argument in logic called a fallacy. It bases the truth value of an assertion on the authority, knowledge, expertise, or position of the person asserting it. It is also known as argument from authority, argumentum ad verecundiam (Latin: argument to respect) or ipse dixit (Latin: he himself said it). It is one method of obtaining propositional knowledge, but a fallacy in regard to logic, because the validity of a claim does not follow from the credibility of the source. The corresponding reverse case would be an ad hominem attack: to imply that the claim is false because the asserter lacks authority or is otherwise objectionable in some way
There are two basic forms of appeal to authority, based on the authority being trusted. The more relevant the expertise of an authority, the more compelling the argument. Nonetheless, authority is never absolute, so all appeals to authority which assert that the authority is necessarily infallible are fallacious.
The first form of the appeal to authority is when a person presenting a position on a subject mentions some authority who also holds that position, but who is not actually an authority in that area. For instance, the statement "Arthur C. Clarke released a report showing it is necessary to floss three times daily" should not convince many people of anything about flossing, as Clarke, a science fiction writer, was not a known expert on dental care.
(from wikipedia)
Dear Adam,
I rarely get to attend SETI conferences (only 3 so far), so I welcomed your exposé on the UNESCO SETI in Paris. In particular the Labeque and Hague presentations struck a cord. In his treatment of the Zoo Hypothesis, and a proposed resolution, Labeque seems to have been taken in by the UFO phenomena. SETI researchers fear that topic like building nuclear power plants – not in my backyard. Before I give a perspective on this, here is my take on the Zoo Hypothesis…
HYPOTHESIS: “We shall never [p = 0] find them [ETI] because they do not want to be found and they have the technological ability to ensure this.” [Ball, John A., “The Zoo Hypothesis”, Icarus, 19, pp. 347-348, 1973.]
PREMISES: ETI exist; Technologically based; Developed interstellar travel; Know of our existence; Actively avoiding contact.
HISTORY: Suggested by Ball in 1972 in response to the prevailing debate over the Fermi paradox. The Zoo Hypothesis is frequently used to support arguments against ET visitation because it postulates that our civilization is in some kind of protected galactic nature preserve. The counter argument being all of the observable galaxy appears similarly natural—it can’t all be protected. Ball’s paper really presents three hypothesis. The one quoted is the most meaningful. Note: The Interdict and Planetarium Hypotheses of Fogg and Baxter respectively are expansions or variations of the Zoo Hypotheses.
STRENGTHS: Contains scientifically testable premises; Falsification is only possible by finding a single confirmed detection of ETI technology; may partially explain lack of any accepted empirical evidence of ETI.
WEAKNESSES: ETI motives for concealment are un-testable and un-provable; Requires some ETI civilization to expend significant effort on prolonged concealment, containment and interruption or blockage of contact by other extraterrestrial civilizations.
This hypothesis is testable with our prevailing technology, but not the way Labeque envisions. SETI people will not support any effort to mine data from UFOlogy. There are rare instances, like Dr. Rutledge and Dr. Cornet, of scientists actually doing field investigations. However, these efforts were insufficient to prove or disprove anything. There is unambiguous documented evidence (optical and audio) gathered by these men, and others (Teodorani and Hague in Hessdalen), but not enough to claim it is only explainable by the ET Hypothesis. For the last 10 years I’ve studied the possibility of visitations to our solar system by unmanned robotic probes. There is a rich history to this approach going back to Dr. Bracewell in the 60’s and 70’s and Freitas in the 80’s. The modern strategy is called SETV (Search for ET Visitation) and I’ve written 3 papers on how to carry out a search and where to look. Two of these papers were presented at SETI conferences. As in the past, the Microwave/Optical SETI “authorities” are ignoring this approach. Not because it smacks of UFOlogy (they know better) but rather because it would draw resources away from the conventional searches. It turns out the Europeans are more supportive of the SETV strategy and there was a conference some years ago that devoted equal time to SETV and SETI. That Hague is getting data in Hessdalen Valley is no surprise. This has been an area of observed anomalous phenomena dating back to the early 1980’s. I applaud Hague for taking the high road and using instruments to document the phenomena. I boo Labeque for ignoring (or failing to mention) the fact that the SETV strategy exists and can be carried out to gather first rate data. SETV is the complementary approach that SETI needs to cover the possible search space both near and far. And while the SETV strategy in no way proposes to “capture a saucer” as Shostak likes to demand, it would provide enough scientific evidence to prove, as SETI would need to do, the non-terrestrial artificial nature of the phenomena.
Sincerely,
Scot Stride
argh! nothing new! ;)
What a refreshing surprise to find your blog. I am going to use one of my kids favorite lines here, `when I grow up I wanna be just like you`. I am just one more amateur, lets say, at an embryo stage compared to you. I have always wanted to know more (too busy with little kids..) but it`s hard to find anything other than the tinfoil hat garbage out there. I have a blog too but I use it for my own reference, even though a lot of people have been visiting the blog so I have been asking for people to comment. My blog has no ads and I don`t make a penny with it, on the contrary, I like to post relevant info I find and things that I would like to share with others. I have always been a non skeptical but never had enough info to backup my beliefs until 10-14-08, the day that a psychic in Australia channeled a message that they would reveal themselves to us (which didnt happen, but the messages seem too interesting to discard..) After that day I learned so much in a couple of weeks that i thought would be a waste to just save it on my bookmarks and I decided to start to blog about it. I believe we as a race should have the right, no matter which country we are from, to know the truth. And I am seeking the truth, like most of us here.
Anyway, I just wanted to say hi and thank you for posting. Please allow me to link to your posts on my blog.
Best,
Claudia
22050hz.blogspot.com
dude where ARE you? hope everything's OK out there.
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